One more new feature...

One more new feature...

Postby mts on Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:35 pm

You may have noticed the new icons underneath the board descriptions in the forum index. You may have seen them and said to yourself, "What the #$%! are those things?" Let's see if a picture can be worth a thousand words:

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I'm too tired to explain it in detail right now, maybe one of my fellow geeks will help me out.

They make me happy at any rate :-)
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Postby Jake. on Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:45 pm

RSS feeds run my life. Newsfire is one of the few personal applications that I plunked down the shareware fee for.

for anyone who isn't sure: there's this or you can also think of it as an email program for your favorite websites, where you get a notification if one of them changes[/url]
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Postby sinbushar on Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:00 am

is newsfire expensive? and can you reply to posts through rss feeds?

enlighten me, please.

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Postby mts on Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:07 am

sinbushar wrote:is newsfire expensive? and can you reply to posts through rss feeds?

enlighten me, please.

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Hi Adel, can't remember what newsfire costs (I think it is around $20) however, netnewswire lite is free and, IMHO, more usable. Not as pretty, but more usable.

BTW, both of these are Mac programs... there is a whole list of RSS reader apps for varioius platforms here:

http://www.hebig.org/blogs/archives/main/000877.php

And yes, there is a 'comments' link rendered into the RSS feed that you can click and it will take you directly to a post reply window.
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Postby sinbushar on Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:09 am

mts wrote:
sinbushar wrote:is newsfire expensive? and can you reply to posts through rss feeds?

enlighten me, please.

-adel


Hi Adel, can't remember what newsfire costs (I think it is around $20) however, netnewswire lite is free and, IMHO, more usable. Not as pretty, but more usable.

BTW, both of these are Mac programs... there is a whole list of RSS reader apps for varioius platforms here:

http://www.hebig.org/blogs/archives/main/000877.php

And yes, there is a 'comments' link rendered into the RSS feed that you can click and it will take you directly to a post reply window.


i noticed and appreciated your screen shot of the mac-ness of the program, and it was titillating...i may experiment with it when i get home tonight. if you don't mind can you post the link to the developer's page for newswire?

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Postby mts on Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:21 am

sinbushar wrote:i noticed and appreciated your screen shot of the mac-ness of the program, and it was titillating...i may experiment with it when i get home tonight. if you don't mind can you post the link to the developer's page for newswire?

forever yours,

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You bet: http://ranchero.com/netnewswire/
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Postby Debbie on Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:49 pm

I use Bloglines, which is a pretty good program that doesn't require any program-downloading/money-plunking. But I'm just a beginner, so yell at me if this is like the Kazaa of the RSS world.
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Postby sinbushar on Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:37 pm

Debbie wrote:I use Bloglines, which is a pretty good program that doesn't require any program-downloading/money-plunking. But I'm just a beginner, so yell at me if this is like the Kazaa of the RSS world.


i remember before napster that i used aol ftp to gank songs...back then it was childish playfulness, now it's a federal matter...

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Postby sinbushar on Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:01 pm

so, how exactly do i load the rss feed into newsfire.....or is it just hating on me? i have the lite version, and i have an inkling of a feeling that that is the reason why it isn't taking it...maybe i need the full version for password protected feeds?

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Postby Jake. on Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:23 pm

I just have it find any availalble RSS feeds for the current Safari page. You can also just copy the feed URL from the buttons MTS put on the front page and use the + icon to add them
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Postby sinbushar on Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:38 pm

Jake. wrote:I just have it find any availalble RSS feeds for the current Safari page. You can also just copy the feed URL from the buttons MTS put on the front page and use the + icon to add them


yeah i figured it out, you need to enter it as

http://username:password@decemberists.e ... loser/lame

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Postby mts on Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:46 pm

Jake. wrote:I just have it find any availalble RSS feeds for the current Safari page. You can also just copy the feed URL from the buttons MTS put on the front page and use the + icon to add them


With netnewswire lite, you can just drag the icon off the webpage and into the feed pane. It's smart enough to pop up authentication dialogs and get you what you need.
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Postby mts on Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:56 pm

sinbushar wrote:
Jake. wrote:I just have it find any availalble RSS feeds for the current Safari page. You can also just copy the feed URL from the buttons MTS put on the front page and use the + icon to add them


yeah i figured it out, you need to enter it as

http://username:password@decemberists.e ... loser/lame

-adel


No, Adel - don't do that... hardcoding usernames and passwords into url strings is a bad idea...

I just tested, newsfire and it behaves the same. Just drag the rss icon into the left hand feed window and your golden. it will pop up an authentication dialog for you too. Dang, that's a pretty app, with cool sound effects too! If could do 3 panes like netnewswire does, I'd consider switching but all that clicking back and forth drives me nuts.

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Postby sinbushar on Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:45 pm

mts wrote:No, Adel - don't do that... hardcoding usernames and passwords into url strings is a bad idea...

I just tested, newsfire and it behaves the same. Just drag the rss icon into the left hand feed window and your golden. it will pop up an authentication dialog for you too. Dang, that's a pretty app, with cool sound effects too! If could do 3 panes like netnewswire does, I'd consider switching but all that clicking back and forth drives me nuts.

Mark


well, according to the netnewswire site, you have to do that...i think i'm going to abandon rss until safari 2.0 is released with tiger...i only really trust apple to do things right :?

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Postby mts on Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:27 am

sinbushar wrote:well, according to the netnewswire site, you have to do that...i think i'm going to abandon rss until safari 2.0 is released with tiger...i only really trust apple to do things right :?
-adel


I've tried the beta for Safari 2.0 and its RSS support is simple, easy but very rudimentary. I guarantee you, Adel, the way I told you works.

Watch this:

[html]
<table border='0' cellpadding='0' align="center">
<!-- begin video window... -->
<tr><td>
<OBJECT classid='clsid:02BF25D5-8C17-4B23-BC80-D3488ABDDC6B' width="320"
height="255" codebase='http://www.apple.com/qtactivex/qtplugin.cab'>
<param name='src' value="http://decemberists.com/rssNNW.mp4">
<param name='autoplay' value="false">
<param name='controller' value="true">
<param name='loop' value="false">
<EMBED src="http://decemberists.com/rssNNW.mp4" width="320" height="255" autoplay="false"
controller="true" loop="false" pluginspage='http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/'>
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</OBJECT>
</td></tr>
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</table>[/html]
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Postby soggyfritter on Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:18 am

That was totally useless to me, but I watched it anyway because I'm a sucker for multimedia.
K guys, so Mts password is *****. Got it?
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Postby evilivor on Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:42 am

Morning Sogger fritter, just curious as to why you wish you were in Ireland? It is lovely and sunny here today but it's not always what it's cracked up to be here.

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Postby soggyfritter on Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:44 am

I've got oodles of family and friends in Ireland that I haven't seen for about 5 years, and I miss them.

Besides, I like rain - why else would I have moved to Portland?
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Postby evilivor on Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:55 am

So you're Irish and moved to Portland or just have strong connections to the place?
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Postby soggyfritter on Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:56 am

Born and raised in California, but my grandparents emigrated, so I have about a jillion cousins.
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Postby evilivor on Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:01 am

Ah, the Irish Diaspora – spreading like wildfire all over the world. What part of the country are your roots from – have you ever visited?
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Postby soggyfritter on Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:04 am

The Mahons are from Offaly (still are quite a few of them too, in Ballycommon), with some of them living in Cork and Dublin.
I know that my grandmother came from Galway, but I can't for the life of me remember the town.

And yes, I visited. I was there for 3 weeks in 2000.
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Postby evilivor on Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:19 am

Well a big wave from Cork! Must go and do some work - I'm representing the Cork St Patrick's Festival so not much time left…
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Postby soggyfritter on Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:21 am

Cheers!
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Postby sinbushar on Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:54 am

mts wrote:
sinbushar wrote:well, according to the netnewswire site, you have to do that...i think i'm going to abandon rss until safari 2.0 is released with tiger...i only really trust apple to do things right :?
-adel


I've tried the beta for Safari 2.0 and its RSS support is simple, easy but very rudimentary. I guarantee you, Adel, the way I told you works.

Watch this:



hosting videos on the website now..hmmm...

also, my netnewswire lite doesn't look like yours...half my icons are missing, and it hates me. it's true, it spat on me on several occasions. i'll try downloading it again.

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Postby mts on Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:07 am

soggyfritter wrote:That was totally useless to me, but I watched it anyway because I'm a sucker for multimedia.
K guys, so Mts password is *****. Got it?


Ha! WRONG, soggyfritter. My password is ***** !
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Postby his dark materials on Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:47 pm

This is amazing. Thank you so much for the RSS info, and the program, I'm using it now, for BBC news, and this of course. Wonderful. I feel so cooooool!
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Postby sinbushar on Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:07 pm

it's not working for me!! i drag and drop it, and it can't find anything!!

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Postby soggyfritter on Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:58 pm

mts wrote:
soggyfritter wrote:That was totally useless to me, but I watched it anyway because I'm a sucker for multimedia.
K guys, so Mts password is *****. Got it?


Ha! WRONG, soggyfritter. My password is ***** !


Crap! I was so close!
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Postby soggyfritter on Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:04 pm

PS - The Educational Video about posting was freaking rad.
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Postby Jake. on Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:06 am

Safari's RSS implementation is going to be more like live bookmarks, similar to what Firefox has now. As far as I can see, there are no notifications when a site is updated. For once, I'd say Apple could've done a lot better. Considering that people leave Mail running all the time, a plug-in for Mail would be better.

of course, I don't use mail - I use Entourage, but the idea is better than a weak RSS implementation. If only R&D would listen to me.

Mark, I like NetNewsWire, it's actually the application that 'My Company' site liscensed for business use, but it's so... ugly.


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Postby mts on Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:20 am

Jake. wrote:Mail running all the time, a plug-in for Mail would be better.


Absolutely. I had that same idea when they announced they were going to support RSS! Oh well.

Jake. wrote:of course, I don't use mail - I use Entourage, but the idea is better than a weak RSS implementation. If only R&D would listen to me.


Entourage is just... I don't know, too much of something. I like Mail. I do wish it had better integration with iCal and that iCal had a few more of the features that the Entourage calendar has.

Jake. wrote:Mark, I like NetNewsWire, it's actually the application that 'My Company' site liscensed for business use, but it's so... ugly.


I wouldn't call it ugly, it's just not out to win a beauty contest like NewsFire is. Simple, clean, cocoa app, done in plain ole aqua rather than metal that is focused on functionality. The three pane view is a must IMHO.

Alright, no more off-topic geekery... we'll bore the natives.

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Postby soggyfritter on Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:25 am

mts wrote:
Alright, no more off-topic geekery... we'll bore the natives.




hehehe.

although I shouldn't laugh, since I followed that whole thing.

aww man, I'm such a nerd. :oops:
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Postby his dark materials on Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:55 am

no no, i like the geekery.

seriously, why no plugin for mail? i hate that you have to leave it running all of the time, and i gaurantee you that they have noticed. it's unfortunate the RSS support is going to be basic. you guys have got me hooked. :)
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Postby sinbushar on Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:05 am

his dark materials wrote:no no, i like the geekery.

seriously, why no plugin for mail? i hate that you have to leave it running all of the time, and i gaurantee you that they have noticed. it's unfortunate the RSS support is going to be basic. you guys have got me hooked. :)


i believe firefox has live bookmarks, as in it updates the rss feeds, apple would be stupid to not implement the same idea into the new safari.

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Postby sinbushar on Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:48 pm

i just realized (thanks to firefox) that gmail has an rss feed...this sounds delicious

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Postby his dark materials on Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:49 am

timeout.
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